VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

Ottoeight · Jan 5, 2025

w123t4 said:
A bit long time had passed before I chose last time but I think I already let her knew about that in previous update? Still, it is something cannot avoid about even if she knew it before I think.

Man, I feel like I'm a broken record... repeating the same words over and over and over and over again.

Grab that darn pdf walkthrough made by Mr Bubu and check it: it shows you EVERY game choice, EVERY game branching, EVERY game variable, and its consequences.

Now you gotta realise that the most important choices with consequences affecting Mina's behaviour towards Edwin are the choices you made when Edwin visited her and had sex and bath with her.

And now you have another key choice in this update: when you have to choose between being jealous / don't give a damn about the fact that she might call that dude ----> this is the most important key choice in the whole update affecting Mina & Hana paths, pals.

AudaciousPolaroid · Jan 5, 2025

Is there any gallery mod for the latest update?

wsrvnar · Jan 5, 2025

capt_obviously said:
You get points for various answers during dinner. Get enough points and unlock romance scene. If you're on full deal you can push her and get a different scene.

If you get the openness option from dinner spending time with rose at the club will unlock the last scene (it's a quick one)

Thanks

Turret · Jan 5, 2025

duval904jax said:
I DL the newest version and it still says "This is the end of the latest build" after revealing Elias is joining the club. Not sure what is wrong

You surely play a modded PC, maybe the walkthrough mod. Outdated mods in Ren´py stop when the end of of their content is reached, even when you put it in a newer game version. Kick out the mod and the new update will run.

ffive · Jan 5, 2025

ename144 said:
Given that, I suspect she'll keep it to herself unless Ian manages to seriously piss her off somehow. I think she'd care too much for both the MC and Mina to tell tales out of school, especially when she doesn't even know the details (like whether it was before or after the breakup). Hana dislikes lying, but she's pretty good at compartmentalization.

I imagine so too, although it might be something very much accidental -- e.g. Hana questioning Edwin while at the club if he really thought it's a good idea, or about the details, or something along the lines, and either Ian himself happening to be nearby, or some other third party overhearing it and delivering the news to Ian for whatever reason.

dolfe67 · Jan 5, 2025

ename144 said:
As I recall, she only learns the info for certain if she's in a casual relationship with the MC; if she's formally dating the MC, Mina aborts her seduction plan and starts asking for specifics.

And if Mina is bicurious. If she's not, she doesn't make advances to Hana and so the latter doesn't know yet.

ramvivat · Jan 5, 2025

Hi!
Who could remind me, why does MC keep everything (what he get to know) to himself? Why did he, having learned that Coach sold Veronica the gym at Samson's suggestion, not say a word about it to Veronica?
Or, as always, is the hero obliged to constantly act stupid like an idiot just to make the story longer? Although, perhaps I just missed something in his thoughts, which, by the way, were of an illegible font and color?
Maybe MC did not collect enough facts to form a "corpus delicti"?
Who can tell me?
maybe MC wants all Carnations to himself as "house girls"?

tuff_luvr · Jan 5, 2025

wheres the working cheat mod at

ffive · Jan 5, 2025

ramvivat said:
Who could remind me, why does MC keep everything (what he get to know) to himself? Why did he, having learned that Coach sold Veronica the gym at Samson's suggestion, not say a word about it to Veronica?

It wouldn't make any real difference, in the sense it's not like learning this would alleviate any of Veronica's trouble, and it'd potentially upset Veronica very much right before the weekend exhibition. MC has some thoughts about it when he visits the gym and runs into the Coach. Ultimately, his focus is on trying to resolve the actual issue.

ename144 · Jan 5, 2025

ramvivat said:
Hi!
Who could remind me, why does MC keep everything (what he get to know) to himself? Why did he, having learned that Coach sold Veronica the gym at Samson's suggestion, not say a word about it to Veronica?
Or, as always, is the hero obliged to constantly act stupid like an idiot just to make the story longer? Although, perhaps I just missed something in his thoughts, which, by the way, were of an illegible font and color?
Maybe MC did not collect enough facts to form a "corpus delicti"?
Who can tell me?
maybe MC wants all Carnations to himself as "house girls"?

Because if Veronica learned that her misfortunes were the direct result of Samson trying to fuck her (literally and figuratively), she's likely to respond by breaking his nose again then quitting the competition. Her stubborn pride has been keeping her in, but that same pride would probably compel her to deny Samson his prize even at the cost of her gym. Veronica quitting halfway through the competition would reflect very poorly on the MC, so he's keeping mum for the moment.

He can help rationalize that decision with additional arguments "the info wouldn't help Veronica save her gym right now," or "Kathleen would retaliate against Veronica if she quits early." Those other points are not necessarily incorrect, but they don't seem to be the crucial argument, at least in the MC's mind. The MC is unwilling to risk his education by failing spectacularly in his lucrative new job.

ANUBIS969 · Jan 5, 2025

Sad thats only 3 Harper scene there. Hopefully we get some good alone quallity time with harper soon.

satirious · Jan 5, 2025

ename144 said:
The MC is unwilling to risk his education by failing spectacularly in his lucrative new job.

Which is why he is going to do fuck all about any revelation from Victoria with regard to Chuck or August. He stuck around when Kathleen made it clear Victoria was fair game early on. Nothing he learns from her about Grace or Chuck changes anything in that regard.

It rather goes against the early plot points that the MC is cold and sadistic with a taste for violence when he's turned the other cheek at every turn thus far. The kid willing to bounce a rock off someone's skull is going to do nothing to Kathleen, Chuck, Grace or August.

ffive · Jan 5, 2025

satirious said:
The kid willing to bounce a rock off someone's skull is going to do nothing to Kathleen, Chuck, Grace or August.

There's slight difference between assaulting another kid, and people who are protected by literal war criminals. It would hardly end for the MC with his parent called by the school principal.

ename144 · Jan 5, 2025

satirious said:
Which is why he is going to do fuck all about any revelation from Victoria with regard to Chuck or August. He stuck around when Kathleen made it clear Victoria was fair game early on. Nothing he learns from her about Grace or Chuck changes anything in that regard.

It rather goes against the early plot points that the MC is cold and sadistic with a taste for violence when he's turned the other cheek at every turn thus far. The kid willing to bounce a rock off someone's skull is going to do nothing to Kathleen, Chuck, Grace or August.

Eh, don't make the same mistake Kathleen is making. The fact that the MC has a serious sadistic streak doesn't mean that his other traits are fake. The MC is capable of both cruelty and altruism. The whole point of the game is that his experiences have carefully balanced him on a knife's edge. It's only when he consciously chooses a side to favor that the MC could thereafter be labeled as a "good" or "bad" person.

Of course, that choice is going to have to come late in the game for obvious reasons.

satirious · Jan 5, 2025

ffive said:
There's slight difference between assaulting another kid, and people who are protected by literal war criminals. It would hardly end for the MC with his parent called by the school principal.

That is very true. The MC isn't a brainless idiot incapable of understanding that. This isn't the stone age though. Options beyond stones and clubs exist and have for a long time. The MC also has the intellect necessary to understand that and make the adjustments necessary. He simply will not. You have to give a shit enough about something other than yourself enough to do that.

ffive · Jan 5, 2025

satirious said:
Options beyond stones and clubs exist and have for a long time. The MC also has the intellect necessary to understand that and make the adjustments necessary. He simply will not. You have to give a shit enough about something other than yourself enough to do that.

Sure, but what exactly such options *are* there for the MC? The local police force is much more likely to work against him than help him. And the last guy who allegedly tried to stand up to Kat was made disappear without a trace. The MC isn't some sort of genius millionaire Batman to play a vigilante, he's just a student with no resources to speak of.

satirious · Jan 5, 2025

ename144 said:
Eh, don't make the same mistake Kathleen is making. The fact that the MC has a serious sadistic streak doesn't mean that his other traits are fake. The MC is capable of both cruelty and altruism. The whole point of the game is that his experiences have carefully balanced him on a knife's edge. It's only when he consciously chooses a side to favor that the MC could thereafter be labeled as a "good" or "bad" person.

Of course, that choice is going to have to come late in the game for obvious reasons.

That is what I find so glaring in this situation...

Chuck and Kathleen for sure know about the MC's past. It's unclear what August knows.

Rage and violence are established character traits for the MC. Being a fire bug is a player choice though.

So why are two, supposedly really smart, people trying their damnedest to break the outer shell to the MC's inner monster while also doing things that can logically turn him into a driven and devoted enemy? The MC isn't a dumb street rat or stupid. He is prone to extreme retribution when someone he cares about is in harms way. At least he was. That seems to have changed in a few short years.

satirious · Jan 5, 2025

ffive said:
Sure, but what exactly such options *are* there for the MC? The local police force is much more likely to work against him than help him. And the last guy who allegedly tried to stand up to Kat was made disappear without a trace. The MC isn't some sort of genius millionaire Batman to play a vigilante, he's just a student with no resources to speak of.

He has a building full of the people responsible for many things. He knows when and where with 100% certainty. The rest is just chemistry. Something a future doctor would know plenty about. And that is the easy, not even trying to be smart about it answer.

ffive · Jan 5, 2025

satirious said:
He has a building full of the people responsible for many things. He knows when and where with 100% certainty. The rest is just chemistry. Something a future doctor would know plenty about. And that is the easy, not even trying to be smart about it answer.

The extent of MC's pyromania was to set fire to neighbor's shed when he was 12 or so. I think you're vastly overestimating his penchant and capability for actual violence.

Not to mention he doesn't strike me as someone who'd risk lives of other, innocent people. Or that the building is under full surveillance 24/7 and you can hardly play an amateur firestarter in such environment.

And even if he did pull it off, then how do you imagine he's supposed to deal with the aftermath, when a bunch of pissed off criminals descend on both him and his mother? Because you don't expect all of them to just conveniently die?

ModiThorrson · Jan 5, 2025

I'm really interested to find out more about Sophia, I get the feeling by how Abel uses her and her weird attitudes that she may have been broken and coniditioned. Would make for a really interesting story about ethics and morals.

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